KURU JII ,THANK YOU ! THANK YOU ! THANK YOU ! VERY MUCH ------
From: "Rashtra1947@aol.com" <Rashtra1947@aol.com>
To: bhagavaandaas@yahoo.ca
Sent: Mon, May 16, 2011 5:17:02 PM
Subject: Re: SAVE SAVE ----SIKHS ARE NOT HINDUUS -- that is what sikhs are saying not hinduus ...
NEED TO REFORM SIKHI,.
Thank you for superb statement. You are totally right.
Now, to something different:
We do feel that every movement needs a revision after a couple of centuries.
Today we have REFORMED CHURCH, PROTESTANTCHURCH, CATHOLIC CHURCH and so on.
We also have Arya Samaj, Sanatan Dharma in our Hindu family, and among our enemies (who destroyed our Akhand Bharat) we have Sunni Muslims and Shia Muslims.
It shows the INEVITABILITY of change.
Nature tells us that what does not change breaks or perishes.
So we commend to all the Hindu and Sikh leaders the need for "REFORMED SIKHI" in order to save the Sikhs now raising temperature AMONG THEMSELVES over the paramount need of keeping those visible symbols and splitting the community in acrimony and "bad blood".
REFORMED SIKHI will mean "FOLLOWING THE TEN GURUS AND THE HOLY BOOK SRI GURU GRANTH SAHIB but minus the staturory obligation to carry the five "kay's" that have acted as CONTROVERSIAL, UNENFORCEABLE and a HINDRANCE to peace WITHIN the community and to the SPREAD OF SIKHI OUTSIDE INDIA.
Would like to hear opinion.
kuru
-----SIKHS HAVE TO CHANGE AND COME BACK TO ORIGINAL RELIGION HINDUISM ----- IF SIKHS ARE CHANGED SIKHI IS CHANGED ----- Sikhs should not change the Sikh History by lies . At present SIKH HISTORY IS FULL OF LIES. SIKHS MUST TELL THE TRUTH -----
अ = a , आ = aa , इ = i , ई = ii , उ = u , ऊ = uu , ऋ = ri` ( रि = ri , री = rii , ऋ =ri` )
ए = e , ऐ = ee or ai , ओ = o , औ = oo or au , अं = an , अ: = a: ]
क = k , ख = kh , ग = g , घ = gh ङ =n. ||| च = ch , छ = chh ज = j , झ = jh , ञ = n`
ट = t. , ठ = th. , ड = d. , ढ = dh. , ण = n~||| त = t , थ = th , द = d , ध = dh , न = n
प = p , फ = ph , ब = b , भ = bh , म = m ||| य = y , र = r , ल = l , व = v , श = sh
ष = sh. स = s , ह = h , क्ष = ksh , त्र = tr ||| ज्ञ = jn.. , श्र = shr , ड़ = ad , ढ़ = ad. ] }
PLEASE NOTE :--हिंदी should be Hindii not Hindi which is = हिंदि ||| हिंदू should be Hinduu not Hindu which is = हिंदु-------PLEASE SOME ONE ! STANDARDIZE HINDII-SANSKRI` T- ENGLISH - GUIDE WHICH INDIAN GOVT. SHOULD HAVE DONE MORE THAN 60 YEARS AGO BUT INDIAN GOVT. HAS DONE NOTHING FOR HINDUUS BUT FOR MUSLIMS AND CHRISTIANS .IF TENTH GURU GOVIND RAI { SINGH } STARTED SIKH RELIGION THEN THE FIRST NINE GURUS WERE DEAD BEFORE THE SIKH RELIGION WAS STARTED.{ THE NINE GURUS } DID NOT KNOW ABOUT SIKH RELIGION , THEN HOW COULD BE THEY ARE SIKHS . THEY WERE HINDUU --- the tradition is when one guru dies then other guru is chosen ---About 900 years ago the Muslims invaded India. Their aim was to conquer , convert ,destroy and loot BHAARAT. They attacked Bhaarat 17 times and were defeated. The 18th time they were successful. At that time Muslims burned many Hinduu temples and erected mosques on top of the burned out temples and on other locations also. They burned Hinduu schools and started their own Islaamic schools. They burnt all most all Hinduu institutions and built Islaamic institutions. They killed millions and millions of Hinduus. Muslims killed who wouldn't accept Islaam and millions of Hinduus who were afraid of being killed accepted Islaam. The rest of the Hinduus were afraid that they would be finished off by the Muslims' cruel ways of conversion, subjugation, persecution, mutilation , coercion and a VERY HIGH JAZIA TAX ABOUT 90 % of the income only on HINDUUS etc.etc.
***[ PLEASE NOTE--WE ALWAYS CALLED OUR COUNTY BHAARAT भारत AND OURSELVES BHAARTIY भारतीय. WHEN MUSLIMS INVADED AND RULED BHAARAT THEY CALLED OUR COUNTRY HINDUSTHAAN AND US HINDUUS AND WHEN BRITISH CAME TO OUR COUNTRY AND RULED US THEY CALLED OUR COUNTRY INDIA AND US INDIANS BUT WE ARE NOT HINDUUS OR INDIANS WE ARE BHAARTIYS भारतीय AND OUR COUNTRY IS BHAARAT OR BHAARAT VARSH WHICH MEANS BHAA + RAT = BHAARAT , BHAA means splendor and RAT means BUSY, ABSORBED means BHAARATIYS ARE ABSORBED AND BUSY IN MAKINK THE COUNTRY SPLANDED ] ***As a result, BHAARTIYS started to think about how to protect themselves FROM MUSLIMS .The BHAARTIYS thought of 3 ways :----A ) - a ) to fight the Muslim military by creating BHAARTIY military to avoid persecution by the Muslims- b ) to worship formless THE SUPREME POWER God / Goddess like Muslims to avoid persecution by the Muslims.
- c ) to change BHAARTIYS -Greetings to Namaste ( नमस्ते ) , which means---I respect you--- the word meaning is--- I bow to you , to avoid persecution by the Muslims instead of using BHAARTIY भारतीय GREETINGS LIKE---जैय अम्बे,जैय दुर्गे , जैय सीता राम ' जैय रुक्मणि कृष्ण etc. etc.B) . Creating BHAARTIY military -----After suffering about five hundred years by MUSLIMS then about 400 years ago, BHAARTIYS established a military force to protect themselves from the ruling Muslims and their cruel ways of conversion because Muslims were persecuting, mutilating, taxing heavily and coercing BHAARATIYS into accepting Islaam.
--- BHAARTIY Military:--- -
a ) The BHAARTIYS made a rule that the first born son in each BHAARTIYS - family was obligated to join the BHAARTIY military to protect the BHAARTIY community. Other sons could join as well, but the first born must.b ) The BHAARTIY military was not paid but was looked after very well with a great respect by the whole BHAARTIY community.c ) To distinguish BHAARTIY military form Muslims military was required to fulfil the following requirements :--
1--. They must grow their hair (Kesh)( केस ) long so BHAARTIY military wouldn't get confused with Muslim military2-- They must encase their hair in turbans (pagdi) ( पगडी ) so that their hair wouldn't fall in their eyes while fighting;
3--.They always must have a comb (Kanghaa ) ( कन्घा) on them so that when they had a spare moment they could comb out their long hair. In hot Indian climate it was necessary to comb their hair frequently to avoid lice;
4--. They must wear under wears (Kachchhaa and banyaan) ( कच्चा-बनयान ), short top and bottom so that if they were attacked while bathing they would not be caught naked, and could run to protect the community immediately .
5--. All these fighters must wear an iron bracelet (Kara) ( कडा ), to remind them to be strong like iron;
6--. They must carry a sword (Kirpaan) (किरपान ) at all the times so that they are always ready to fight even when they were having breakfast or lunch or dinner etc.etc.if attacked by Muslims.
7-- All these fighters were given the last name Sinh ( सिंह ) which means tiger to remind them to fight like a tiger. As the time passed the word '' Sinh ( सिंह ) '' evolved as SINGH सिंघ and ''siikh'' सीख evolved as ''sikh'' सिख .With all these conditions THE BHAARTIY MILITARY WAS CREATED , with the name SIIKH सीख means--to learn how to protect yourself and the COMMUNITY AT LARGE against MUSLIM - RULERS and MUSLIM - COMMUNITY. As the time passed the word सीख Siikh evolved as सिख Sikh and the word '' Sinh ( सिंह ) '' evolved as SINGH सिंघ. SO SIKH WAS BHAARTIY MILITARY NOT A SIKH RELIGION AS PEOPLE THINK OF IT TODAY.All ten Gurus ( गुरु ) of BHAARTIY MILITARY were HINDUUS NOT SIKHS-- and the five Pyaaraas ( प्यारे ) chosen by the tenth guru Govind Singh were also Hinduus because they were born before Sikh Religion was formed by the tenth guru Govind Singh and the tenth guru Govind Rai was also born before he himself formed SIKH RELIGION therefore he was born HINDUU .The 9 gurus were commander-in- chief of this Hinduu military in succession except Guru Nanak,who was a spiritual guru.
At that time for example:--- if a BHAARTIY Family had 4 boys, the oldest son had to go to BHAARTIY military which would be called Siikh because of HINDUU MILITARY--which means--to learn how to protect yourself and the HINDUU COMMUNITY AT LARGE against MUSLIM - RULERS and MUSLIM - COMMUNITY. but he is Hinduu by religion --. If all four boys would join the BHAARTIY - military then all four would be called Siikhs meansBHAARTIY military but they are Hinduus by religion . If only the first boy join the BHAARTIY-military then he would be called Siikh the other three would not be called Siikh BUT HINDUUS.This is the reason in the same family some members are Hinduu-Siikhs and some are Hinduus. The whole BHAARTIY - COMMUNITY is called with two names--- 1 . KES - DHAARII - HINDUUS केस - धारी - हिन्दू and2 . Hinduus हिन्दू . But every one is HINDUU----- KES DHAARII HINDUUS केस - धारी - हिन्दू AND HINDUUS हिन्दूIn time, the word Sinh evolved into Singh and the Hinduu military evolved into Sikh religion known as Sikhism and their 7 conditions evolved into 5 Ks.---1 . Kesh - केस,2 . Kanghaa - कन्घा ,3 . Kachchhaa and banyaan कच्चा-बनयान ,4 . Kara -कडा ,5 . Kirpaan -किरपान --- THESE 5 Ks DO NOT INCLUDE ---1 . pagadi पगडी and2 . the last name SINGH सिंघWhen BHAARTIY military was fighting with Muslims to protect the community then only these 7 conditions or 5 k's were needed, not now. Now to keep these 7 conditions or 5 k's is just a ritual and nothing else.Sikhism was never a religion. It was the BHAARTIY military.SIKH PEOPLE INSTEAD OF SAYING THE TRUTH THAT --- THEY BETRAYED HINDUUS and joined BRITISH CHRISTIAN MILITIRY; THE SIKHS PEOPLE SAY "WE ARE NEVER HINDUUS OUR GURU GOVIND CHOSE 5 KHAALASAAS ON 13 APRIL AND FORMED SIKH RELIGION "300 years ago British Christians came to India. They came as traders and were treated as guests by BHAARTIY people. Secretly they were building their own military force to take over India and they were getting help from Great Britain to do so, and they succeeded. The British Christians found it difficult to control both BHAARTIY and Muslims because BHAARTIY - military the SIKHS was very strong . The British bribed the BHAARTIY military - the Sikhs by paying salaries to fight for them , to control BHAARTIY and Muslims so that British can rule India.BHAARTIY military was not paid by the BHAARTIYcommunity but all their needs were met by the BHAARTIYcommunity. Many Sikhs ( BHAARTIY- military ) joined the British military and betrayed Hinduus BECAUSE OF the SALARY paid BY THE BRITISH TO SIKHS .
The British Christians took over India. They made BHAARTIY and Muslims to fight all the times to make them weak so that British can rule BHAARAT forever. Their policy was to divide and rule. In 1947 the British were kicked out from BHAARAT and BHAARAT became INDEPENDENT. Before leaving BHAARAT , the British played two dirty tricks .They divided BHAARAT---as BHAARAT and PAAKISTHAAN . PAKISTHAAN was given to Muslims which creates lots of problems for BHAARAT---as Islamic-terrorists- attacks-- -so that BHAARAT could not progress. The other trick the British played was they gave BHAARAT in the hands of Very - weak -BHAARATIYS and to ANTI- BHAARAT people so that BHAARAT could not progress.
When Muslims got Paakisthaan in 1947 then the Sikhs thought why not us also get some land for ourselves and since then the Sikhs started demanding--- THE SIKH-HOME-LAND- - KHALISTHAAN AND STARTED DECLARING THEY ARE NOT HINDUUS BUT SIKHS . SIKHS ARE GETTING LOT OF HELP FROM PAAKISTHAAN AND SOME OTHER COUNTRIES ALSO TO DO SO .AS AN EXAMPLE-----i) If the Canadian military says - " We have suffered so much to save Canada therefore we want a separate state for ourselves and we want to wear military uniform all the time and our children will wear the military uniform also because it is our religion now and we are not "CHRISTIANS " - then what will you say to them and what will you do , and what will Canadian - Govt. will do ? Would you give them a separate-state ?
ii) Quebec wants to separate from Canada. Will Canada give them a separate-state ?
iii) Ireland wants to separate from England . Will England give them a separate-state ?
iv) Sikh want to separate from BHAARAT.Should BHAARAT give them a separate-state ?
REMEMBER---- All Sikhs were the oldest sons of the Hinduu community to protect the community. THIS IS THE REASON MANY MANY HINDUU LAST NAMES ARE THE SAME IN SIKHS AND HINDUUS.PLEASE NOTE --- INSTEAD OF SAYING'' WE SIKHS BETRAIDED HINDUUS'' THESE SIKHS SAY --- GURU GOVIND SINGH JII STARTED SIKH RELIGION AND MANY GOBBLING LIES SIKHS ARE SAYING AND CHANGING THE SIKH HISTORY ------
3. a ) FORMATION OF AARYAA SAMAJ ----- to worship formless God like Muslims to avoid persecution by the Muslims:--
BHAARATIYS always worship THE SUPREME POWER GOD / GODDESS ---i) in FEMALE form as JAGADMBAA , ii) in MALE form as BRAHM ब्रह्म , (not BRAHMAA ) iii) in NOT FEMALE AND NOT MALE form as OM ॐ ओम् (NOT AUM )Muslims do not worship THE SUPREME POWER GOD / GODDESS in any form therefore Muslim burnt all those places where ever they see THE SUPREME POWER GOD / GODDESS in any form is worshipped and they killed people whoever worships THE SUPREME POWER GOD / GODDESS in any form.This was the reason BHAARATIYS started emphasizing to worshipTHE SUPREME POWER GOD / GODDESS in formless form which gave birth of AARYAA-Samaaj आर्य समाज to avoid prosecution by the Muslims.3 b ) -- to change -BHAARATIYS Greetings to Namaste (नमस्ते ),which means---I respect you---word meaning is---I bow to you:---- BHAARATIYS used to greet each others before muslims and British Christans came to Bhaarat as---जैय अम्बे Jai Ambe ,जैय दुर्गेJai Durge , जैय सीता राम Jai Siitaa Raam' जैय रुक्मणि कृष्ण jai Rukmani Krishan etc. etc.jai Raam jii kii जै राम जी की ,
jai Siitaa raam जै सीता राम,
Raam Raam , राम राम , jai maataa ki जै माता की etc.etc.BHAARATIYS thought if we change our greetings to Namaste (नमस्ते ),which means---I respect you---word meaning is---I bow to you then we would avoid the Muslims' cruel ways of conversion, subjugation, persecution, mutilation and coercion, etc. etc.But for a Muslim, BHAARATIY is a BHAARATIY, good for conversion, subjugation, persecution, mutilation and coercion, etc. etc.By doing all the changes still things did not change, BHAARATIYS suffered in the hands of Muslims' cruel ways of conversion, subjugation, persecution, mutilation and coercion, etc.etc.---BHAARAT suffered a lot since Muslims came to BHAARAT about 9 hundred years ago ; The whole world suffered a lot since Islam came into existence , for about 14 hundred years .ANDBHAARAT suffered a lot since CHRISTIANS came to INDIA about 3 hundred years ago ; The whole world suffered a lot since CHRISTIANITY came into existence , for about 2 THOUSAND years .to protect the hinduu community from islaamic atrocities and conversionsvaami dayaa nand started --- niraakaar puujaa --- the aaryaa samaaj ,and some other wise hinduus started --- hinduu military --- the sikhs ,to protect hinduu community not to criticize hinduus which aaryaa samaajiis are doing these day and not to ask khaalisthaan which sikhs are doing these days ----AARYAA SAMAAJII ---- SAY :----- ON SHIV RAATRY A MOUSE ATE PRASAAD WHICH WAS FOR BHAGAVAAN SHIV AND BHAGAVAAN SHIV COULD NOT PROTECT HIS OWN PRASAAD ----BUT MY QUESTION TO THOSE PEOPLE IS ---- WHY NIRAAKAAR BHAGAVAAN COULD NOT PROTECT THAT PRASAAD ---- HE IS OMNIPRESENT , OMNISCIENT ETC. ETC. ----=======================
my comments are in red -----
सीख सिख --SIKHS ARE NOT HINDUUS -- that is what sikhs are saying not hinduus ----
Good Dave, the practice you speak of I am sure will come back in time because what is in Guru Granth Sahib the Sikhs and Hindus are learning, more so through the Internet. The Colonial Raj's divisive tactics the militant Sikhs got influenced by will probably wane in time. I hear even Harmander Sahib was built as Hari Mandir with idols,----[[ it is true ]]---- but monotheism - NOT THE HINDU/SIKH 'EK-OMAKR' - got the better of the Sikhs but it will change. Even in the UK here we have two major streams of Sikhs, one aligning itself to ancient Dharma, though protecting its sovereignty which I respect, especially its SEVA tenet, and the other aligning itself to pseudo monotheism and somewhat anti-Hindu, anti-idol, etc. but I think things are moving in the right direction.---- [[ i hopes so ]] ----
anil bhanot
London
On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 5:06 PM, DAVE MAKKAR <davemakkar@yahoo.com> wrote:
Respected every one:
I belong to a Hindu-Sikh family from Amritsar (Punjab). For more than a century till 1952 in our families the eldest son used to be made a Sikh which means the family has donated their child to the community; he will become a Policeman or Soldier or Religious Preacher or Social worker or work for the government while practicing Sikhism to the true sense to fight for the less fortunate in the society and especially protect Hinduism.
This practice was stopped because in 1950 Master Tara Singh gave a call for Punjabi Suba and declared that Hindus should be thrown out of Punjab. Tara Singh forgot that majority of Hindus consider Guru Nanak Dev Ji incarnation of Lord Vishnu and it was Guru Gobind Singh Ji who gave image of a warrior to a Sikh; always ready to defend Hinduism & the less fortunate with 5 K's. Guru Gobind Singh Ji in his vani has called for Hari which is for Lord Vishnu. Ignorant are misinterpreting this image as some thing away and different from Hinduism.
More over till 1957 in every Hindu Temple of Punjab Sri Gurugranth Sahib Ji was kept with honor & respect along with other Hindu Religious Books. Even now also so many Hindu families from northern India especially Punjab keep Sri Gurugranth sahib Ji & Holy Hindu Religious Books in their temples at home.----- but sikhs do not keep giitaa , raamaayan , mahaabhaarat in their guru dvaaraas ----- Hindus & Sikhs can not be separated because of their centuries old blood relations, common beliefs and their common Gurus. [[----- christ was a jew , muhammad was also ; see how they fight now and it will happen with sikhs in due time which hinduus do not see ----- ]]
It is very unfortunate the Hindu & Sikh fundamentalist are planting mistrust & disrespect for each other in their respective communities.---- [[ not hinduus but sikhs . hinduus are saying the facts ]] ----They are also forgetting in the Ardas from Holy Sri Gurugranth Sahib Ji we say "Bhagouti Ji Sahai" which is asking for the blessings of Maa Bhagwati or Goddess Durga.
Then in Holy Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji all the 10 Guru Sahiban in their bani (preaching & singing) has used the names Gobind (Lord Krishna), Ram & Hari; all these names are for Lord Vishnu. Then this Ardas ends with "sarbat da bhalaa" which means God's Grace be on every human being. No where in Ardas it says it is only for Sikhs, those who consider Sikhism as their personal property or feels it is not part of broader philosophy of Hinduism are defying the very principles of Sikhism on which it was founded by an Hindu; Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji.
My parents migrated to Delhi from Amritsar in 1955. I was born in Delhi and now 52 yrs old. Since my childhood used to attend Temple & Gurudwara ----- [[ in guru dvaaraas there are 50 % hinduus but in hinduu temples we see a sikh in a blue moon years ---- ]] with my parents and in our house we have Hindu Holy Books as well as Sri Gurugranth Sahib Ji. The same practice we are keeping for our children and in our home in New Jersey. This is what my great grand father did it while living in Punjab, my father practiced it in Delhi and now the same traditions we are keeping in New Jersey a northern state in America.
Some time you feel immense pain when fundamentalists in the name of religion that too in the presence of Sri Guru Granth Sahib abuse Hindus inside the Gurudwara. In 2009 in India they have installed the Picture of Shaheed Bhagat Singh with a turban when it is an open secret he never wore a turban.---- [[ it is very true . sikhs are changing the sikh history ----- same thing is with 9 gurus , they never had 5 k's and ''PAGADII'' AND ''SINGH'' AS THEIR LAST NAME as sikhs are showing them in the pictures ]] Where ever I could get an opportunity I have always appealed to both the community; let's bring back the century's old tradition of making eldest son a Sikh in Hindu community.---- [[ yes, if sikhs make their eldest son hinduu ----- STILL SIKHS WILL GAIN MUCH MORE THAN HINDUUS BECAUSE HINDUU POPULATION IS MUCH MORE THAN SIKHS ]]
Hindu Fundamentalist must find ways how to remove the distrust from the hearts of our Sikh brothers. At the same time Sikh fundamentalist must stop re-writing the history in defiance to the wishes of Guru Nanak Dev Ji and 9 other Gurus who preceded Guru Nanak Dev Ji later in the history. They must understand the concept and teachings of all the Gurus; especially the 10th Guru Gobind Singh Ji who gave special identity with Dastar & 5 K's to the Sikhs to work for the humanity with glory to Vahe Guru the Almighty God which says "Manas ki ek hi jaat and ek pita ke hum balak" every one of us are of same Race and we all are children of the same father The Almighty God.
Wahey Guru Mehar Karey
With best regards,
Dave Makkar
RAGHUPATI RAGHAV RAJA RAM PATIT PAAVAN SITA RAMLakh Khushiya Padshaiya Je Sat Gur Nadar KareyCOMMENTS:Aaaw, they soooooooooooooooo cute.God bless themIts Good to see the Guru Granth Saab and Bhagwan ji's murti's being worshiped in the same place.... this should happen everywhere.RamDhoot 7 months agomy comments are in red color ----KURU JII ,, BUT YOU DID NOT ANSWER MY QUESTIONS ---- WHY SIKHS ARE DENYING HINDUU ANCESTRY and say they are not HINDUUS WHILE THEY ARE HINDUUS ---- GURU DVAARAAS ARE TEACHING SIKHS TO HATE HINDUUS ---- YOU SHOULD TEACH THE GURU DVAARAAS TO TEACH UNITY WHILE THEY ARE DOING JUST THE OPPOSITE ----
From: "Rashtra1947@aol.com" <Rashtra1947@aol.com>
To: bhagavaandaas@yahoo.ca; mdapte@gmail.com
Sent: Sun, May 8, 2011 7:58:31 PMDear friends,I was told by a friend that the SIKHS lost faith in Hindusthan (Hindu leaders) when India surrendered the territories where they were settled for centuries, unconditionally to the Muslim enemies in 1947.They also feel that Bharat will DEFEND Amritsar, Delhi, AND THEIR DAUGHTERS, as it defended LAHORE and MULTAN. They could be RIGHT if the Hindu nation is prepared to be led and misled by a Catholic female of unknown pedigree from Italy, and has NO breath left to reclaim Lahore and recover North Kashmir. Can't we see that a beautiful young woman walking beside a weak man (like MK Gandhi) fears every passing Pathan who stares at her with an evil eye?------ you are very right ------In an earlier era of brutal force and savagery the armed Sikhs defended the Hindus but now they expect the Hindus to defend them because now is not the time of prowess, courage and physical strength (i.e., the Sikhs) but of "head count" and intelligence where the Hindus excel. ----- again very right -----The birth of Pakistan was enabled by the British on the basis of head count though they themselves had conquered India by guns, force and violence.------right ------The Sikhs say that we shall be part and parcel of the Hindu nation once again after the MAJORITY COMMUNITY recovers our WEST PUNJAB from the ENEMY, and incidentally, also NORTH KASHMIR. Some even throw a challenge before the whole nation, "Either frontier back to Khyber, or Khalisan!"------ it would not happen under SONIAA GAANDHII RULE---- INDIA has to become HINDUU RAASHTR FIRST THEN ONLY FROM KHYBER TO KANYAA KUMAARII it will be INDIA again , not other wise -----Do they have a point?It reminds us of the children DISOWNING their cowardly father who did not defend and protect their mother and siblings from the bandits but RAN AWAY.The challenge for the MAJORITY COMMUNITY (85%) is not to worry about the Sikhs (1.2 %) but to arm themselves, UNITE themselves, educate themselves, become strong and martial, in order to challenge the COMMON enemies and set a good example in COURAGE and kicking out the Hindu bashing Congress and Dynasty. ---- yes ; you are right ----I believe the Sikhs will be "in order" again if the Hindus "perform" in a virile and manly manner against the ITALIANS and the MOHAMMEDANS.--- yes , you are right -----kuru9 May 11.PS: At this time both Hindu "grandparents" and the Sikhs are threatened by common enemies and it is time to close ranks but not to emphasize the differences.---- yes , you are right ---- many times in the past you said '' hinduus should join hands with sikhs '' BUT I WILL SAY '' SIKHS MUST JOIN HANDS WITH HINDUUS NOT HINDUUS WILL JOINS HANDS WITH SIKHS''Of course, the origin of the Sikhs was the Hindus. Of course, the Sikhs - THE HINDUU MILITARY defended the Hindus and fought the MUSLIM rulers of the time who proved to be heartless beasts in human form.---- [[[ with the same token the origin of CHRIST AND CHRISTIANS TO START WITH was JEWISM and of MUHAMMAD AND MUSLIMS ALSO and see yourself --- how they became enemy to each others ; this is happening with SIKHS and no one can stop that ; PEACE WILL NEVER COME TO THE WORLD BY CREATING "NEW RELIGION" PEACE WILL COME TO THIS WORLD WHEN THE HUMAN RACE WILL KNOW THE TRUTH THAT "THEIR ANCESTORS WERE HINDUUS AND WHEN EVERY ONE WILL GO BACK TO THEIR ORIGINAL RELIGION "HINDUISM" . THE ONLY WAY TO ATTAIN PEACE .AND HUMAN - RACE IS MILLIONS AND MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF YEARS OLDWHILE OTHER RELIGIONS ARE :------- JEWISM , ZOROASTRIANISM, TAOISM ,CONFUCIANISM , DAOISM , TENRIKYO ABOUT------------ --------- --- 3 . 0 THOUSAND YEARS OLDJAINISM , BUDDHISM , SHINTOISM ABOUT, ------------ --------- --------- ---------2 . 5 THOUSAND YEARS OLDCHRISTIANITY ABOUT------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------2 . 0 THOUSAND YEARS [ exact today is 2011 years old ] OLDISLAAM ABOUT------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------1 . 4 THOUSAND YEARS OLDin other words islaam is ABOUT------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ------ 14 hundred years oldSIKHISM ABOUT------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---0 . 3 THOUSAND YEARS OLDin other words sikhism is ABOUT------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---- 3 hundred years old [ from guru govind singh . GURU GOVIND STARTED SIKH RELIGION NOT GURU NAANK . ALL 9 GURUS WERE DEAD BEFORE GURU GOVIND STARTED SIKH RELIGION .THEREFORE ALL 9 GURUS WERE NOT SIKH BUT HINDUUS AND 5 PYAARAAS WHO WERE CHOSEN TO BE SIKH WERE ALSO HINDUU AND were BORN BEFORE SIKH RELIGION WAS INVENTED BY GURU GOVIND SINGH . The 9 gurus who were born before Sikh religion did not have 5Ks as Sikhs show them in their pictures ]MANY OTHER RELIGIONS ARE 3 OR LESS THAN 3 HUNDRED YEARS OLD AS : --- bahai , caodai , rastafari , unitarian , wicca , aagaa khaan , st.mina , jhovas , kenneth and many many more coming up like mushrooms every day--------JEWISM , ZOROASTRIANISM, TAOISM , SHINTOISM , JAINISM , BUDDHISM , CHRISTIANITY , ISLAAM , SIKHISM and many many more religions ARE RELIGIONS OF KALI YUG [ कलि-युग ] BECAUSE THEY ARE LESS THAN 5 THOUSAND YEARS OLD WHILE KALI YUG IS 5112 YEARS OLD ----- BEFORE KALI YUG THERE WERE DVAAPAR , TRETAA , SAT YUG ALSO . IF WE ADD ALL THESE YUGS HINDUU RELIGION IS MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF YEAR OLD ]]]Despite surrendering five provinces to them by All-India Congress Party under Gandhi and Nehru, the ENEMY is still all over Bharat terrifying the nation.---- yes , you are right ----=========In a message dated 08/05/2011 18:32:32 GMT Standard Time, bhagavaandaas@yahoo.cawrites:Please tel me know , it is a humble request --- if Sikhs are not separate from Hinduus : ---Why they are asking Khaalisthaan ?Why they bombed Kanishkaa air plane killing 239 people ?Why they in their T V , Radio , media keep on criticizing Hinduusand they call all kind of anti-Hinduus , non-Hinduus to criticize Hinduus and promoting Islaam ?Why they say " We Sikhs are not Hinduus . Our Raam is not of Hinduu's Raam our Raam is different from Hinduu - Raam , our Raam in our Granth Saahib is not Raam of Hinduus . He is our Raam different from Raamaayan's and Hinduu's Raam ?Why Sikhs cooperate with muslims and not with Hinduus ?Why Sikhs are coping Muslims and discarding Hinduu culture and adopting Islaamic culture ?Why Sikhs were killing Hinduus with the help of Muslims in Panjaab a few years ago for years ?Why Sikhs have only Sikh chief minister and not a Hinduu chief minister while Hinduus are 50 % and sikhs are 50 % in Panjaab?Why then Sikhs have 90 % of govt. jobs and 99 % in Sikh organizations while Hinduus are 50 % in Panjaab ?It is not Hinduus who are saying Sikhs are separate from Hinduus it is sikh community which says " we are not Hinduus BUT SIKHS are very clear and loud" about thisWhy Sikhs make people to tred on Indian flag on 15 Aug. and on 26 Jan. while Hinduus are celebrating these two daysWhy SIKHS and MUSLIMS do not participate in the celebration of HINDII BAAL DIVAS ,15 Aug. , 26 Jan. celebrationsWhy SIKHS impose on HINDUU PANJAABIS to say ''sat shrii akaal सत श्री अकाल ----- and jo bole so nihaal--- sat shri akaal ---- जो बोले सो निहाल सत श्री अकाल---Why BINDAR VAALAA pictures , Indiraa gaandgii's killers pictures are in GURU DVAARAAS as MartyrsSikhs label their products with panjaabi and english only not hindii --the national language of INDIAWhy Sikhs and Muslims are working together against Hinduus ---one day i was in an england's bus . this muslim ticket-collector thought ''i am a sikh'' and he said to me ---- '' if any hinduu bugs you let us know '' we will fix him '' ----you can see yourself ---how sikhs and muslims are working together against hinduus --------- and there are many many more examples like these -----HINDUUS KEEP ON SAYING --- हिन्दू मुस्लिम सिख ईसाई , आपस में हैं भाई भाई---- DID MUSLIMS BECAME HINDUUS भाई ? NO . SAME WILL GO FOR SIKHS ---- I DO NOT KNOW WHEN WE HINDUUS WILL WAKE UP AND DEPEND ON OURSELVES RATHER THAN DEPENDING ON SIKHS, MUSLIMS , Christians ETC. ETC.-----हिन्दी चीनी भाई भाई AND CHINA ATTACKED INDIA ---- हिन्दू मुस्लिम सिख ईसाई , आपस में हैं भाई भाई------MUSLIMS TOOK PAAKISTHAAN AND ATTACK INDIA AND keep on attacking INDIA BY ISLAAMIC TERRORISTS and have many mini paakisthaans in india and creating many many problems for hinduus---Why Hinduus do not have self esteem ? 85 % hinduus can not do any thing for Hinduu cause without the help of minorities who are 15 % ?????? When Hinduus will shed their NIPUNSAKATAA निपुन्सकता and will become PUNSAK पुन्सक ??? ---- SHAME ON ALL HINDUUS INCLUDING ME !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!---please read on ----SIKHISMSIKHISMIF TENTH GURU GOVIND RAI { SINGH } STARTED SIKH RELIGION THEN THE FIRST NINE GURUS WERE DEAD BEFORE THE SIKH RELIGION WAS STARTED.{ THE NINE GURUS } DID NOT KNOW ABOUT SIKH RELIGION , THEN HOW COULD BE THEY ARE SIKHS . THEY WERE HINDUU --- the tradition is when one guru dies then other guru is chosen ---About 900 years ago the Muslims invaded India. Their aim was to conquer , convert ,destroy and loot BHAARAT. They attacked Bhaarat 17 times and were defeated. The 18th time they were successful. At that time Muslims burned many Hinduu temples and erected mosques on top of the burned out temples and on other locations also. They burned Hinduu schools and started their own Islaamic schools. They burnt all most all Hinduu institutions and built Islaamic institutions. They killed millions and millions of Hinduus. Muslims killed who wouldn't accept Islaam and millions of Hinduus who were afraid of being killed accepted Islaam. The rest of the Hinduus were afraid that they would be finished off by the Muslims' cruel ways of conversion, subjugation, persecution, mutilation , coercion and a VERY HIGH JAZIA TAX ABOUT 90 % of the income only on HINDUUS etc.etc.
***[ PLEASE NOTE--WE ALWAYS CALLED OUR COUNTY BHAARAT भारत AND OURSELVES BHAARTIY भारतीय. WHEN MUSLIMS INVADED AND RULED BHAARAT THEY CALLED OUR COUNTRY HINDUSTHAAN AND US HINDUUS AND WHEN BRITISH CAME TO OUR COUNTRY AND RULED US THEY CALLED OUR COUNTRY INDIA AND US INDIANS BUT WE ARE NOT HINDUUS OR INDIANS WE ARE BHAARTIYS भारतीय AND OUR COUNTRY IS BHAARAT OR BHAARAT VARSH WHICH MEANS BHAA + RAT = BHAARAT , BHAA means splendor and RAT means BUSY, ABSORBED means BHAARATIYS ARE ABSORBED AND BUSY IN MAKINK THE COUNTRY SPLANDED ] ***As a result, BHAARTIYS started to think about how to protect themselves FROM MUSLIMS .The BHAARTIYS thought of 3 ways :----A ) - a ) to fight the Muslim military by creating BHAARTIY military to avoid persecution by the Muslims- b ) to worship formless THE SUPREME POWER God / Goddess like Muslims to avoid persecution by the Muslims.
- c ) to change BHAARTIYS -Greetings to Namaste ( नमस्ते ) , which means---I respect you--- the word meaning is--- I bow to you , to avoid persecution by the Muslims instead of using BHAARTIY भारतीय GREETINGS LIKE---जैय अम्बे,जैय दुर्गे , जैय सीता राम ' जैय रुक्मणि कृष्ण etc. etc.B) . Creating BHAARTIY military -----After suffering about five hundred years by MUSLIMS then about 400 years ago, BHAARTIYS established a military force to protect themselves from the ruling Muslims and their cruel ways of conversion because Muslims were persecuting, mutilating, taxing heavily and coercing BHAARATIYS into accepting Islaam.
--- BHAARTIY Military:--- -
a ) The BHAARTIYS made a rule that the first born son in each BHAARTIYS - family was obligated to join the BHAARTIY military to protect the BHAARTIY community. Other sons could join as well, but the first born must.b ) The BHAARTIY military was not paid but was looked after very well with a great respect by the whole BHAARTIY community.c ) To distinguish BHAARTIY military form Muslims military was required to fulfil the following requirements :--
1--. They must grow their hair (Kesh)( केस ) long so BHAARTIY military wouldn't get confused with Muslim military2-- They must encase their hair in turbans (pagdi) ( पगडी ) so that their hair wouldn't fall in their eyes while fighting;
3--.They always must have a comb (Kanghaa ) ( कन्घा) on them so that when they had a spare moment they could comb out their long hair. In hot Indian climate it was necessary to comb their hair frequently to avoid lice;
4--. They must wear under wears (Kachchhaa and banyaan) ( कच्चा-बनयान ), short top and bottom so that if they were attacked while bathing they would not be caught naked, and could run to protect the community immediately .
5--. All these fighters must wear an iron bracelet (Kara) ( कडा ), to remind them to be strong like iron;
6--. They must carry a sword (Kirpaan) (किरपान ) at all the times so that they are always ready to fight even when they were having breakfast or lunch or dinner etc.etc.if attacked by Muslims.
7-- All these fighters were given the last name Sinh ( सिंह ) which means tiger to remind them to fight like a tiger. As the time passed the word '' Sinh ( सिंह ) '' evolved as SINGH सिंघ and ''siikh'' सीख evolved as ''sikh'' सिख .With all these conditions THE BHAARTIY MILITARY WAS CREATED , with the name SIIKH सीख means--to learn how to protect yourself and the COMMUNITY AT LARGE against MUSLIM - RULERS and MUSLIM - COMMUNITY. As the time passed the word सीख Siikh evolved as सिख Sikh and the word '' Sinh ( सिंह ) '' evolved as SINGH सिंघ. SO SIKH WAS BHAARTIY MILITARY NOT A SIKH RELIGION AS PEOPLE THINK OF IT TODAY.All ten Gurus ( गुरु ) of BHAARTIY MILITARY were HINDUUS NOT SIKHS-- and the five Pyaaraas ( प्यारे ) chosen by the tenth guru Govind Singh were also Hinduus because they were born before Sikh Religion was formed by the tenth guru Govind Singh and the tenth guru Govind Rai was also born before he himself formed SIKH RELIGION therefore he was born HINDUU .The 9 gurus were commander-in- chief of this Hinduu military in succession except Guru Nanak,who was a spiritual guru.
At that time for example:--- if a BHAARTIY Family had 4 boys, the oldest son had to go to BHAARTIY military which would be called Siikh because of HINDUU MILITARY--which means--to learn how to protect yourself and the HINDUU COMMUNITY AT LARGE against MUSLIM - RULERS and MUSLIM - COMMUNITY. but he is Hinduu by religion --. If all four boys would join the BHAARTIY - military then all four would be called Siikhs meansBHAARTIY military but they are Hinduus by religion . If only the first boy join the BHAARTIY-military then he would be called Siikh the other three would not be called Siikh BUT HINDUUS.This is the reason in the same family some members are Hinduu-Siikhs and some are Hinduus. The whole BHAARTIY - COMMUNITY is called with two names--- 1 . KES - DHAARII - HINDUUS केस - धारी - हिन्दू and2 . Hinduus हिन्दू . But every one is HINDUU----- KES DHAARII HINDUUS केस - धारी - हिन्दू AND HINDUUS हिन्दूIn time, the word Sinh evolved into Singh and the Hinduu military evolved into Sikh religion known as Sikhism and their 7 conditions evolved into 5 Ks.---1 . Kesh - केस,2 . Kanghaa - कन्घा ,3 . Kachchhaa and banyaan कच्चा-बनयान ,4 . Kara -कडा ,5 . Kirpaan -किरपान --- THESE 5 Ks DO NOT INCLUDE ---1 . pagadi पगडी and2 . the last name SINGH सिंघWhen BHAARTIY military was fighting with Muslims to protect the community then only these 7 conditions or 5 k's were needed, not now. Now to keep these 7 conditions or 5 k's is just a ritual and nothing else.Sikhism was never a religion. It was the BHAARTIY military.SIKH PEOPLE INSTEAD OF SAYING THE TRUTH THAT --- THEY BETRAYED HINDUUS and joined BRITISH CHRISTIAN MILITIRY; THE SIKHS PEOPLE SAY "WE ARE NEVER HINDUUS OUR GURU GOVIND CHOSE 5 KHAALASAAS ON 13 APRIL AND FORMED SIKH RELIGION "300 years ago British Christians came to India. They came as traders and were treated as guests by BHAARTIY people. Secretly they were building their own military force to take over India and they were getting help from Great Britain to do so, and they succeeded. The British Christians found it difficult to control both BHAARTIY and Muslims because BHAARTIY - military the SIKHS was very strong . The British bribed the BHAARTIY military - the Sikhs by paying salaries to fight for them , to control BHAARTIY and Muslims so that British can rule India.BHAARTIY military was not paid by the BHAARTIYcommunity but all their needs were met by the BHAARTIYcommunity. Many Sikhs ( BHAARTIY- military ) joined the British military and betrayed Hinduus BECAUSE OF the SALARY paid BY THE BRITISH TO SIKHS .
The British Christians took over India. They made BHAARTIY and Muslims to fight all the times to make them weak so that British can rule BHAARAT forever. Their policy was to divide and rule. In 1947 the British were kicked out from BHAARAT and BHAARAT became INDEPENDENT. Before leaving BHAARAT , the British played two dirty tricks .They divided BHAARAT---as BHAARAT and PAAKISTHAAN . PAKISTHAAN was given to Muslims which creates lots of problems for BHAARAT---as Islamic-terrorists- attacks-- -so that BHAARAT could not progress. The other trick the British played was they gave BHAARAT in the hands of Very - weak -BHAARATIYS and to ANTI- BHAARAT people so that BHAARAT could not progress.
When Muslims got Paakisthaan in 1947 then the Sikhs thought why not us also get some land for ourselves and since then the Sikhs started demanding--- THE SIKH-HOME-LAND- - KHALISTHAAN AND STARTED DECLARING THEY ARE NOT HINDUUS BUT SIKHS . SIKHS ARE GETTING LOT OF HELP FROM PAAKISTHAAN AND SOME OTHER COUNTRIES ALSO TO DO SO .AS AN EXAMPLE-----i) If the Canadian military says - " We have suffered so much to save Canada therefore we want a separate state for ourselves and we want to wear military uniform all the time and our children will wear the military uniform also because it is our religion now and we are not "CHRISTIANS " - then what will you say to them and what will you do , and what will Canadian - Govt. will do ? Would you give them a separate-state ?
ii) Quebec wants to separate from Canada. Will Canada give them a separate-state ?
iii) Ireland wants to separate from England . Will England give them a separate-state ?
iv) Sikh want to separate from BHAARAT.Should BHAARAT give them a separate-state ?
REMEMBER---- All Sikhs were the oldest sons of the Hinduu community to protect the community. THIS IS THE REASON MANY MANY HINDUU LAST NAMES ARE THE SAME IN SIKHS AND HINDUUS.PLEASE NOTE --- INSTEAD OF SAYING'' WE SIKHS BETRAIDED HINDUUS'' THESE SIKHS SAY --- GURU GOVIND SINGH JII STARTED SIKH RELIGION AND MANY GOBBLING LIES SIKHS ARE SAYING AND CHANGING THE SIKH HISTORY ------
3. a ) FORMATION OF AARYAA SAMAJ ----- to worship formless God like Muslims to avoid persecution by the Muslims:--
BHAARATIYS always worship THE SUPREME POWER GOD / GODDESS ---i) in FEMALE form as JAGADMBAA , ii) in MALE form as BRAHM ब्रह्म , (not BRAHMAA ) iii) in NOT FEMALE AND NOT MALE form as OM ॐ ओम् (NOT AUM )Muslims do not worship THE SUPREME POWER GOD / GODDESS in any form therefore Muslim burnt all those places where ever they see THE SUPREME POWER GOD / GODDESS in any form is worshipped and they killed people whoever worships THE SUPREME POWER GOD / GODDESS in any form.This was the reason BHAARATIYS started emphasizing to worshipTHE SUPREME POWER GOD / GODDESS in formless form which gave birth of AARYAA-Samaaj आर्य समाज to avoid prosecution by the Muslims.3 b ) -- to change -BHAARATIYS Greetings to Namaste (नमस्ते ),which means---I respect you---word meaning is---I bow to you:---- BHAARATIYS used to greet each others before muslims and British Christans came to Bhaarat as---जैय अम्बे Jai Ambe ,जैय दुर्गेJai Durge , जैय सीता राम Jai Siitaa Raam' जैय रुक्मणि कृष्ण jai Rukmani Krishan etc. etc.jai Raam jii kii जै राम जी की ,
jai Siitaa raam जै सीता राम,
Raam Raam , राम राम , jai maataa ki जै माता की etc.etc.BHAARATIYS thought if we change our greetings to Namaste (नमस्ते ),which means---I respect you---word meaning is---I bow to you then we would avoid the Muslims' cruel ways of conversion, subjugation, persecution, mutilation and coercion, etc. etc.But for a Muslim, BHAARATIY is a BHAARATIY, good for conversion, subjugation, persecution, mutilation and coercion, etc. etc.By doing all the changes still things did not change, BHAARATIYS suffered in the hands of Muslims' cruel ways of conversion, subjugation, persecution, mutilation and coercion, etc.etc.---BHAARAT suffered a lot since Muslims came to BHAARAT about 9 hundred years ago ; The whole world suffered a lot since Islam came into existence , for about 14 hundred years .ANDBHAARAT suffered a lot since CHRISTIANS came to INDIA about 3 hundred years ago ; The whole world suffered a lot since CHRISTIANITY came into existence , for about 2 THOUSAND years .to protect the hinduu community from islaamic atrocities and conversionsvaami dayaa nand started --- niraakaar puujaa --- the aaryaa samaaj ,and some other wise hinduus started --- hinduu military --- the sikhs ,to protect hinduu community not to criticize hinduus which aaryaa samaajiis are doing these day and not to ask khaalisthaan which sikhs are doing these days ----AARYAA SAMAAJII ---- SAY :----- ON SHIV RAATRY A MOUSE ATE PRASAAD WHICH WAS FOR BHAGAVAAN SHIV AND BHAGAVAAN SHIV COULD NOT PROTECT HIS OWN PRASAAD ----BUT MY QUESTION TO THOSE PEOPLE IS ---- WHY NIRAAKAAR BHAGAVAAN COULD NOT PROTECT THAT PRASAAD ---- HE IS OMNIPRESENT , OMNISCIENT ETC. ETC. ----=======================
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