Mohan Natarajan mohannatarajan2001@yahoo.co.in
Sunday, April 05, 2015
Justice Kurien Joseph should know that our forefathers, who drafted the constitution, did not use the word secular. They were intelligent enough to know that India is a HINDU MAJORITY COUNTRY.
The word SECULAR was added by Indira Gandhi (who was not a Hindu) during Emergency to secure the dynastic continuance.
It is pathetic that Kurian talks about secularism without defining WHAT IS SECCULARISM in the Indian context.
Christians claim that they are only 2.16%. That means, Good Friday has no meaning to 98% of Indian population. Why Kurian makes hue and cry? He is creating another CHRISTIAN VICTIM HOOD. What a shame!
USA has no holiday for GOOD FRIDAY. USA is a Christian majority country.USA, UK, CANADA, SWITZERLAND and other Christian countries do not declare government holiday for Diwali or Holy, despite the presence of Hindu minority. WHAT KURIAN HAS TO SAY ON THIS?
There are reports that Kurian attends many church functions, as representative of Catholic laity.
A member of the Kerala-based Syros-Malabar Roman Catholic Church, Justice Joseph is a regular at church functions, mainly as a representative of the Catholic laity.
In 2012, he was one of the resource persons for an annual conference of the Canon Law Society of India. Its office-bears and members are generally bishops and priests —canon law is the system of laws legal principles enforced by the Pope.
Last year, when the Catholic Bishops' Conference of India held a conference on church and media, Justice Joseph was one of the speakers.
On May 27, 2012, when the Faridabad archbishop was consecrated, Justice Joseph, then Chief Justice of Himachal Pradesh, did the first reading during mass. While serving as a high court judge, Justice Joseph preached Bible on Christian TV channel Shalom TV. Then, he would religiously read a passage from the Bible and interpret the verses. This weekly programme was held every Saturday evening. [Emphasis added]
In other words, it is incredible to believe that the irony of a sitting Supreme Court Justice being a resource person in a conference on a Papal legal system was not lost on His Honour Justice Kurian Joseph.
That such canon law conferences are held in a large, non-Christian country like India exposes yet another facet of the sinister modus operandi of the global Christian machinery: of infiltrating important Governmental and judicial institutions to push for legislations and garner Governmental influence in favour of Christianity. This exact same modus operandi was used with great aplomb and success in South Korea, a Buddhist country just fifty years ago but is now a Christian majority nation.
Therefore, our humble prayer to His Honour Justice Kurian Joseph is that he abides by that most Holy Book he took oath upon when he became a Justice: the Indian Constitution. As he says, the Indian Constitution is definitely secular but that secularism does not inform the Indian people including Justices and the Prime Minister and the President that important conferences, meetings etc. should not be held hostage to religious festivals or the personal religious allegiance of one person howsoever important his/her position might be. Equally, our prayer to His Honour Justice Kurian Joseph is also the fact that the same Indian Constitution is not beholden to or contains papal judicial principles. India is not the Vatican.
Hope Kurian will resign and devote his full time for
spreading Christianity.
N Mohan
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By Sandeep Balakrishna on Apr 05, 2015 03:23 pm
Published by India Facts
None of us are living on Pluto and neither does it take gargantuan genius on the part of the public to figure out that the worldwide Christian lobby has launched an all-out attack against Narendra Modi trying to strike at him from multiple fronts.
The latest arrow from the Christian quiver is a serving Supreme Court judge, His Honour Sri Kurian Joseph who told The Hindu that "secularism is being tinkered with" because the Supreme Court Chief Justice called for the Chief Justices' Conference on Good Friday. Using that as an excuse, he skipped attending the Easter dinner called by Prime Minister Narendra Modi. Which actually serves Narendra Modi right for pandering to the exclusivist demands of a sly minority intent on converting Hindus by force or fraud or both? Hope Narendra Modi or his advisers keep Winston Churchill's advice about appeasement and crocodiles in mind all the time.
That out of the way, we must indeed be indebted to His Honour Sri Kurian Joseph because he has been open and honest about his definition of secularism on record. Here is the full text of His Honour's anguish:
"This is my pain, anguish and concern about the way secularism is being tinkered with. Secularism practised in India is unique in the world. A constitutional institution like the judiciary, expected to protect secular ethos, cannot even remotely give any message otherwise," Justice Joseph told The Hindu on the phone [Emphasis added]
We shall return to this in a bit.
One wonders what motivated His Honour Justice Kurian Joseph to take it upon himself to write those letters to the Chief Justice of India and to the Prime Minister protesting the conference of Chief Justices that was held last Friday—protesting because it was held on a day sacred only to the Christians. Which begs three questions: first, did he write those letters in his capacity as a Supreme Court Judge or did he write those letters as a Christian? Second, did he write those letters as a Christian Judge and not as a judge who has sworn to uphold and protect the Indian Constitution? Third, what motivated His Honour Justice Kurian to share those letters with the Indian media?
In the interest of truth, honesty, and open public debate on this important issue that concerns public interest, His Honour Justice Kurian's actions can be condemned on several counts.
His Honour Kurian Joseph claims that attending the Chief Justices conference on Good Friday will violate his religious beliefs as a Christian. To put it bluntly, this is utter nonsense.
The secular United States of America does not observe Good Friday as a Federal Holiday. Americans work on that day. The private sector is open. The Government is open. Government schools are open. Important business and other meetings are held. If Christians want to take personal leave on that day, they are welcome to do so. But most do not. This only shows that there is no religious injunction not to work on Good Friday.
More fundamentally, a public holiday is exactly what it says: it is meant for the general public. Leaders of Government and the captains of industry continue to work on public holidays. The general staff have the day off but leaders often continue to work, meet and discuss deals. It is business as usual.
And now we get to the significant part of the whole saga: it was wholly inappropriate for a serving Justice to release his official correspondence to the media. By thus doing, he was engaging in a public and a political debate that contravenes the principles of judicial propriety and protocol and he should be condemned for that. In other Asian/Middle Eastern countries, he would have been impeached.
If we turn the clock back, we learn that similar Chief Justices conferences were held on Valmiki Day in 2007 and on Independence Day in 2009, both under the Sonia regime, a fact that Chief Justice of India, Dattu himself mentioned. There was no murmur of protest then either by Justice Kurian or anybody else in the judicial and legal fraternity.
Now we must return to His Honour Justice Kurian Joseph's anguish about secularism being tinkered with. With due respect to his anguish and his standing as a Supreme Court Justice, we must also beg His Honour for some full disclosure. This Indian Express report is illuminating on that front:
A member of the Kerala-based Syro-Malabar Roman Catholic Church, Justice Joseph is a regular at church functions, mainly as a representative of the Catholic laity.
In 2012, he was one of the resource persons for an annual conference of the Canon Law Society of India. Its office-bears and members are generally bishops and priests —canon law is the system of laws legal principles enforced by the Pope.
Last year, when the Catholic Bishops' Conference of India held a conference on church and media, Justice Joseph was one of the speakers.
On May 27, 2012, when the Faridabad archbishop was consecrated, Justice Joseph, then Chief Justice of Himachal Pradesh, did the first reading during mass. While serving as a high court judge, Justice Joseph preached Bible on Christian TV channel Shalom TV. Then, he would religiously read a passage from the Bible and interpret the verses. This weekly programme was held every Saturday evening. [Emphasis added]
In other words, it is incredible to believe that the irony of a sitting Supreme Court Justice being a resource person in a conference on a Papal legal system was not lost on His Honour Justice Kurian Joseph.
That such canon law conferences are held in a large, non-Christian country like India exposes yet another facet of the sinister modus operandi of the global Christian machinery: of infiltrating important Governmental and judicial institutions to push for legislations and garner Governmental influence in favour of Christianity. This exact same modus operandi was used with great aplomb and success in South Korea, a Buddhist country just fifty years ago but is now a Christian majority nation.
Therefore, our humble prayer to His Honour Justice Kurian Joseph is that he abides by that most Holy Book he took oath upon when he became a Justice: the Indian Constitution. As he says, the Indian Constitution is definitely secular but that secularism does not inform the Indian people including Justices and the Prime Minister and the President that important conferences, meetings etc. should not be held hostage to religious festivals or the personal religious allegiance of one person howsoever important his/her position might be. Equally, our prayer to His Honour Justice Kurian Joseph is also the fact that the same Indian Constitution is not beholden to or contains papal judicial principles. India is not the Vatican.
Lastly, Christians constitute just 2.34 per cent of India, according to the 2001 census but much, much higher today given the Evangelism explosion under Catholic Sonia Gandhi's decade-long regime. Therefore, even if we agree to the 2.34 per cent figure, it makes sense to not declare Good Friday as a public holiday. It has no relevance to 97.66 per cent of India's population.
This article India is not the Vatican appeared first onIndiaFacts.
Controversy generated by a Supreme Court judge on holding the conference on a religious holiday of Good Friday was neither proper nor justified especially when a country like USA with 98-percent Christian population does not have a holiday on Good Friday.
Rabid Christian Supreme Court Justice Kurian Joseph
From: dharma next - rameshnaidoo@gmail.com;
Sunday, April 05, 2015
A member of the Kerala-based Syro-Malabar Roman Catholic Church, Justice Joseph is a regular at church functions, mainly as a representative of the Catholic laity. In 2012, he was one of the resource persons for an annual conference of the Canon Law Society of India. Its office-bears and members are generally bishops and priests —canon law is the system of laws legal principles enforced by the Pope. Last year, when the Catholic Bishops' Conference of India held a conference on church and media, Justice Joseph was one of the speakers. On May 27, 2012, when the Faridabad archbishop was consecrated, Justice Joseph, then Chief Justice of Himachal Pradesh, did the first reading during mass. While serving as a high court judge, Justice Joseph preached Bible on Christian TV channel Shalom TV. Then, he would religiously read a passage from the Bible and interpret the verses. This weekly programme was held every Saturday evening.
Full Indian Express article: http://indianexpress.com/article/india/india-others/two-supreme-court-judges-told-chief-dont-call-conference-on-good-friday/
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From: "vilasni narayanan vilasni_n@hotmail.com [haindavakeralam]"
Date:06/04/2015
Subject: INDIA IS NOT THE VATICAN
India is not the Vatican and the ancestors of all these so pious Indian Christians were all Hindus, some of them may even have been Hindus themselves before they perverted to this foreign faith, a faith which even its original people are finding out has nothing spiritual in it, that it is merely a tool for grabbing power. As long as Hindus continue to be liberal and tolerant and its leaders, like the current Indian PM, continue to pander to these Muslim and Christian perverts they will push us around. Anyone who is tolerant in the name of humanity receives beheading or will receive it at some point. Hindus come on the top of the list followed by any one & every one else.
Vilasni
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From: Mukund Apte -mdapte@gmail.com;
Tuesday, April 07, 2015
Britain and all Europeans started their campaign to enslave the Asian/African as well as American countries since Thirteenth Century, their aim was one ; destroy all other cultures and races. The present situation that we are seeing cannot be very different than that, is it not? Bhaarat and her culture was found by them a tough nut to crack and hence what they did instead was to spread the (Western) culture by design. That is why we are finding there still are some Bhaarateey and Eastern people stuck to their health System along with the culture. ------Mukund Apte
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From: Tilak Shrestha <tilakbs@hotmail.com>
Date: 9 April 2015 at 09:57
We are social animal and need to belong to a group also. Jati, not to be confused with Varna, comes from this social grouping by cultural affinity, extended family, professions etc.
However, same rule does not apply to grouping by religions. Because, religions requires aggressions against others. Christians are required to consider others are Heathens and attack. Muslims are required to consider others as Infidels and attack.
I might add, Christians have evolved and using violence has gone out of fashion. However, Christian motivation remains the same to put down other religions and convert. Here is the core concept of Christianity, "All Christians go to Heaven, no matter how evil. All others go to Hell, no matter how virtuous." Thus, as a Christian convert you agree that all your non-Christian ancestors gone to Hell, don't you?
There can be friendship between cows, camels, deers, horses, zebras. But there cannot be friendship between cows, leopards, camels, tigers, deers, hyenas, horses, lions, zebras. Do you see the distinction?
Thanks, Tilak Shrestha, Ph.D.
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From: 'S. Kalyanaraman' kalyan97@gmail.com
Date: Sun, Apr 5, 2015 at 9:23 AM
Subject: Christian persecution, fact or fiction? -- The Hoot. Vatican, Stop evangelising the awakened Indian.
http://bharatkalyan97.blogspot.in/2015/04/christian-persecution-fact-or-fiction.html
Christian persecution, fact or fiction? -- The Hoot. Vatican, stop evangelising the awakened Indian.
" For over a hundred years thus missionary activity was interwoven with, and inextricably tied up with British imperial control of India : that the missionaries - even those of Indian origin - did not join the Independence Movement was not an accident ; nor was it an accident that those who did - C.F. Andrews for instance - abandoned missionary work all together "
' Missionaries in India ' ; Arun Shourie ;
Rupa & Co (1994); (pp-200)
http://bharatkalyan97.blogspot.com/2015/03/agenda-by-churches-need-investigation.html
HTTPS://PBS.TWIMG.COM/MEDIA/CBEW8APUKAANSRN.JPG
CHRISTIANS ARE NOT UNDER ATTACK IN INDIA
March 30, 2015 · by mariawirthblog ·
There is probably no other country where members of other religions were as safe as in India. Hindus always gave shelter to those who were persecuted in their homelands. Jews gratefully acknowledged that India is the one country where they were never persecuted. Syrian Christians under their leader Thomas of Cana (Thomas the Apostle did not come to India) were given refuge in the 4th century. Parsis came in the 10th century to escape the Muslim invaders in Persia. And in 1959, some 100,000 Tibetan Buddhist refugees found shelter in India – only 12 years after the British had left the country, divided and poverty-stricken.
In contrast, the rich USA with an area three times the size and only a quarter of India's population allowed only in 1991 one thousand Tibetan families to enter.
Indians never hesitated to accept those who were in trouble and who wanted to preserve their faith because they did not distinguish between human beings on religious lines. Their attitude was that all belong to one big human family and all have the same divine essence in them. For them "religion" was not an identity but a natural, ideal way of life.
So what happened that nowadays there is a lot of talk that Christians are under attack in India? Have Hindus become intolerant?
No. Hindus have not changed. All the so called attacks on churches which were hyped up recently on many TV channels turned out to have been minor crimes unconnected with "Hindu extremists". In other countries they would hardly find space in the local paper. Why were they flogged for days on TV channels? Why were Christian spokesmen given plenty of airtime to falsely blame the "Hindu right" and claim that Christians are under attack? There seems to be an agenda by the Churches and it would need to be investigated why so many TV channels obliged.
A smashed glass pane outside one church, a fire due to short circuit in another church, a theft of 8000 Rupees in a convent school, stones thrown by a mixed group of Hindus and Muslim surely don't warrant hours of hyped coverage.
Yes, there was also the break-in into a convent school in West Bengal, where not only 1,2 million Rupees were stolen but a 72 year old nun was allegedly gang raped.
This was shameful no doubt and this news reached in no time all corners of the world. It fitted well into the image that had already been crafted over the last 2 years – of India as a rapists' nation. The Vatican radio spoke of India's shame which went viral on the internet.
It turned out that Bangladeshi Muslims, probably encouraged by the Pakistani secret service, were behind it.
Typically, the media fell silent. The BBC ran a scroll that an arrest has been made in the nun gang rape in India. They didn't mention that he was a Bangladeshi Muslim. Neither the Vatican, nor the cardinal or the bishop apologized for their wrong, greatly publicized pre-judgment of the case that it was connected with the Hindu re-conversion drive of RSS and VHP.
The campaign of media and Christian representatives against "Hindu extremists" is not likely to end soon. New incidents will come up and the Christian spokesmen will again peddle the "truth" that under Narendra Modi as Prime Minister the Hindus are emboldened to "attack" Christians in hate crimes and that Christians feel helpless and insecure. The TV anchors will continue to prod them: "Do you feel unsafe in India?" and all Christian spokesmen will again reply "Yes" and claim that hate crimes have increased since Modi came to power.
There are other voices, too, who do not take part in this back stabbing of their Hindu brothers and, probably closer to the truth, blame the Christian clergy for trying to sow discord between communities. Yet those Christians, like Robert Rosario or Hilda Raja, are not likely to get an invitation to represent the Christian side, because they wouldn't further the agenda to portray Hindus in poor light.
Mainstream media has tremendous power to shape opinions. Churches have tremendous financial and political clout. Both obviously cooperate to portray Hindus as intolerant and hateful of other religions – contrary to facts. There is a third power that wants India to get a bad image the world over, at least as bad as its own image is. It is Pakistan. The Sunday Guardian of 21th March exposed that the Pakistani secret service increased its budget six-fold to achieve the goal that India is put into the same bracket with Pakistan on human rights issues and downgraded by the US Commission for International Religious Freedom (USCIRF).
This goal has already been achieved in regard to projecting India as a rapist country. In the west, Pakistan, India and Bangladesh are now seen as being on the same level. In fact, India stands out negatively: it is openly thrashed for its 'anti-women attitude', while it is politically incorrect to thrash Muslim countries. The German professor who quoted India's rape culture as reason to reject an Indian shows the huge damage that this false portrayal of India has done.
Unfortunately, India did nothing to put the issue into perspective when the maligning campaign started, and it seems that India again does nothing to prevent an equally damaging, also false perception that Hindus are prone to hate crimes against Christians. Sometimes I wonder whether Indians are even aware how detrimental to India's image abroad the media campaign has already been.
At least the government, if not the public at large, would know that India is neither in the top league of rape countries, nor are Hindus known for hate crimes and discrimination against members of other religions.
They would know that India has presently a population of 1270 million, and that it is unfair to compare absolute numbers of crimes with other countries. If the crimes that happen in the USA, Canada, in all European countries including Russia plus Australia were added up, then they could be compared with the number of crimes that happen in India. Can the media be made to give a balanced reporting on the issues it takes up? Does anyone remember the hype that media created about AIDS some 20 years ago? "India second only to South Africa" they screamed. Nobody mentioned that India had 1000 and South Africa 50 million inhabitants.
If the media were fair, they would discern that the charge of 160 hate crimes against Christians in the last 10 months, especially when those include theft and a stone thrown by a drunkard, is no reason to shout "Christians don't feel safe in India"? Why do they play into the hands of the west which will be pleased to get a stick to beat India with?
In England, there were over 1,000 hate crimes only against Jews in the last year. This would equal over 20,000 hate crimes in India if it is put in proportion to the population. In USA, several Sikhs, Hindus and Muslims were killed only because they were Sikhs, Hindus or Muslims. Should the USCIRF not put the US and Europe on its watch list, before it even thinks of condemning India?
There are several indicators that clearly show that Christians are not persecuted in India and are even pampered:
The percentage of Christians keeps increasing. Their places of worship multiply manifold and are free from government interference, unlike Hindu temples. Many Christians are in high positions. Missionaries have the guts to openly declare that they want to plant hundred thousand churches in India and "evangelize the whole country in this generation" (from a Christian youth magazine called "Blessings"). Christians and other minorities are privileged and get special benefits like scholarships, etc. Christians can teach the catechism in their schools to Christian students, while ethic teachers in those schools must not mention Sri Krishna, or Hindu philosophy to Hindu students. Compare this with the situation in Pakistan and it becomes evident that the "operation equal blame" depends entirely on spreading falsehood and manipulating the world opinion.
How to counter this mischievous agenda? Certainly not by going on the defensive and giving special attention to Christians. "Justice for all, appeasement for none" is the way to go. The nun gang rape has been carried to the eight corners of the world as a 'communal crime' because the victim was a Christian. How would the kin of a Hindu girl feel who has been raped and maybe even killed by Muslims or Christians, yet neither the media nor even the police take any interest in the case, because it is not communal enough when Hindus are at the receiving end? Crimes need to be treated as crimes and religion should be out of consideration.
Hindus have no reason to be defensive. Spokesmen are dishonest when they claim that Christian are unsafe in India. It will be difficult to find any other country where Christians in minority are as safe and pampered, as among Hindus. If someone needs to be on the defensive, it is the Christian clergy and they may know it. Maybe that is the reason why they act as bullies in tune with the dictum 'attack is the best defense'. They will stop playing the bully only when they perceive their opponent as strong.
Strength here doesn't mean to bully back. It simply means to be clear, stick to truth and stick to dharma. It also means not to be afraid to point out the adharmic, divisive aspects in Christianity.
We live in the 21st century when science has discovered that there are different levels to reality. The apparent variety in this universe is based on uniform oneness. Our deepest essence is made of the same stuff, as it were. The Indian rishis knew this, ages ago. Where then is there place for a huge fire where billions or maybe trillions of heathens will burn for eternity after the Day of Judgment?
What is more of a hate crime: when a stone is thrown at a church by a drunkard or when respected clergy declare without any proof that Hindus are damned to eternal hellfire if they don't become a member of the Church, and when they brainwash Christian children to believe this? Will TV anchors be outraged at such discriminatory, baseless allegation which can lead to real hate crimes? Will Hindus (and other heathen like Buddhists, atheists, etc.) demand an answer from the Churches?
Christians who originally came as refugees, and later went berserk during the Goan Inquisition, are now on a well-planned mission with huge funds from the west to change the broad-minded attitude of Hindus from "We revere ALSO Jesus" to a narrow-minded "We revere ONLY Jesus"?
Contempt and intolerance for other religions is inbuilt in Christianity. Its goal is clear: all must follow Christ. Hinduism must disappear. If they say something else in Interfaith Dialogues, it is deception. The spread of Christianity is not in India's interest. It is not in humanity's interest either.
Hinduism unlike Christianity and Islam, has no agenda and never had an agenda to wipe out other religions. In India, there always were innumerable paths to the one truth. It is India's job not only to honour their valuable heritage and educate their own people and the world about it, but also prevent their people from being deceived, threatened or allured by unfair means to a divisive ideology.
The Churches don't succeed anymore to enforce belief in unreasonable dogmas among Christians in the west, yet their financial and political power is mind boggling. They have plenty of funds to defame Hindus and Hinduism the world over. India is no equal in this fight, as most of her own media seems to have switched sides.
Maybe the Prime Minister himself needs to point out on his visit to Europe that Christian Churches are on a massive conversion spree in India because they have this strange and baseless notion that otherwise Hindus go to hell. They should relax. Hindus won't go to hell. Most Europeans will agree with him.
However, I don't know how much damage the media campaign "Christians are under attack" has already done. I just checked with a cousin in Germany. Yes, he heard already that there were attacks on Christians in India…
By Maria Wirth
https://mariawirthblog.wordpress.com/2015/03/30/christians-are-not-under-attack-in-india/
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